DONT USE INTERNATIONAL TITLE SERVICE

JoeRD400

Hey Gang....

Just a heads up. The 'international title service' in Las Vegas is a total scam. Do not use them. They have ripped me off. I sent them a check for $265 to produce a title for a bike that I have restored and it has not arrived as of yet. I sent it March 9th, 2011. I have nothing to show for it. I tried to call them and their phone is either busy or I get a voice message. They responded once to a voice message I left inquiring about their service... they called back and then I told them I was actually inquiring about my current app. He then told me he would go to the DMV to check it's status. I have not hear anything. They are the worst. Do not use them. I am so pissed I can't tell you. I put a ton of work into my last project and they are totally jacking me. DONT USE THEM. They don't respond and they don't produce anything for you except headache and your wallet. Contact me if you want any information. I have done what I can to contact them and give them some slack. I plan to pursue this as my new hobby cause I am so pissed at them. I have found many people on the internet to be honest and have had many business interactions that were fair... these people have zero customer service skills and they are not what they represent. Tell your friends.

Joe

KirkN · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:32 am Post subject:

Ouch! Sorry to hear about your woes.

I guess that's why most of us nowadays take the tack that if you don't have the title, you don't have anything but a legal nightmare! In my own case, I don't spend a PENNY until I have the legal title.

Plus, in the case of acquiring a title by these kinds of means, if the original titled owner ever DOES show up, you and your ITS-provided title will be SOL, and the owner can take HIS (your) nicely restored machine and go home. Nuts to you, and you'd better hope he doesn't press charges into the bargain. See Boyd Coddington...

Good luck with the mess, anyway.

Kirk

Rizingson · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:46 am Post subject:

A non-titled bike is ALWAYS a parts bike, make your offers accordingly. Sorry to hear about your situation. I would predict title services to be a thing of the past shortly as more states won't accept their paper work any more. I've also made my fair share of deals with no titles to questionable titles (open, missing initials, digit missing from vin, signed on the wrong line, no notary etc.) The cleanness of a title is something I now look at carefully for every transaction. I usually take in 5 titles at a time, giving the DMV clerk the cleanest first to see what kind of a mood they are in and slowly work to the most difficult titles if it looks like they will fly last. They definitely hold all the cards and can make it easy or like hell for you.

MR.CHocko · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject:

I have known about this title service for a long time. In the begining they were good. But as of late they have gone down hill and all the Antique motorcycle guys stay away from them period. There are other ways to get a title without using a title service.

smi481 · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: Title advice

The Triumph Owners group attorney addressed the bike without title
question a few years ago. It's still good advice ....

"Once you purchase a motorcycle without a title, and payment has been
made to the seller, the new buyer is responsible for the vehicle,
including obtaining a proper title.

Many multiple bike sellers admit that they do not NOT go through the title
application steps because they do NOT want to pay their sales tax, in their state,
which is typically required when you try to obtain a title - i.e. 7% in
California, NJ & TN = 7% of a $6,000 purchase = $420.00 cash for
one bike. Imagine the cost they would incur if they sold 6 bikes
a year on Ebay and apply for titles for each, before they sell a vehicle?
Their theory - Let the separate new BUYERS worry about it!

Or because there is SOME problem/reason with the paperwork in
the first place. When you buy such an untitled vehicle - you buy the problems too.

So the burden falls on the new owner of an untitled Triumph to
apply for an Official CLEAR title.

And if YOUR Secretary of State does a LEIN National Title Search, which 46
states currently perform, and they find the vehicle is still titled to a
previous owner, perhaps the fellow who sold it to YOUR seller, guess
WHO has to try to clear up that MESS?

In our opinion, if a seller doesn't want to, or will NOT apply for or produce
a clear title for you, the new buyer, there is a REASON. They have
sat on a bike for years .... but never had the time to get a clear title in
their own state? Make any sense to you?

Typically, these sellers have owned the vehicle for many years, have taken abundant time
to prepare the bike for sale. Cleaning it, repairing little problems, taking multiple
pictures, etc. So WHY didn't they take care of "first things first - obtaining
a Clear title in their name?"

Is their time, standing in line at the Secretary of States Office, more valuable
than yours? NO it isn't. But many want the new buyer
to clean up their mess.

If the seller tells you there will be "NO PROBLEM" obtaining
a Clear State Title, for the bike you just "have to have," ask him
to do it BEFORE the sale.

Or simply go to YOUR Secretary of States office ahead of time and
ask just how "easy" it will be to obtain a Certified motor vehicle Title if
you produce just a hand written Bill of Sale, from an out of
state seller?? It could be the best 20 minute investment
you can make, before you send away your money.

There is nothing like having the Triumph of your
dreams in your garage and a CLEAR Official Title in your hand.

Buyer beware still applies in 2007.

Arthur Weisburg"

yamasarus · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject:

Bottom Line: It's not your vehicle until you have the title!

butch8231 · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject:

PARTS DON'T HAVE TITLES! NO TITLE-NO BIKE!

mixer · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:36 am Post subject:

i see ads all the time, "no title but its easy to get one from the state" with an absolutely ludicrous price like 2000 for a 79 cb750. once, i responded to one (ducati) that didnt mention "no title" but when i got there, with the cash in hand, he told me "oh yeah, it doesnt have a title, but i got this bill of sale, itll be easy..."

i made a bet with the man...

"go down, RIGHT NOW, and get that easy title for this bike, and the 2500 cash is yours, you can even keep the bike. come back without it, and the rolling parts is mine, free and clear and i put the money back in my pocket".

it was a monday morning, at the beginning of the month. 7 hours later, he finally called me, he had a STACK of paperwork that would be required to get said title, and told me "fuck this, im going back to the guy i got the bike from, i didnt think id need it, but ill have it tomorrow." he never got that "easy" title, i bought the pile of parts for 100, and took what i needed (plastics, wheels and forks). then i abandoned it right in front of the police department. trust me when i say THEY'LL find the title holder, and get a title for the bike when they impound it and auction it off.

ztnoo · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject:

OK Gentlemen, consider this.

These are the thoughts of a former VJMC President (and former motorcycle dealer) who lives about an hour north of me in Indiana.
Although I'm not going to name him, some of you undoubtedly know who I mean.
Here's his thoughts on the title question related in an email distributed to Indiana VJMC members.
Reasonably speaking, I think most of these givens apply generally everywhere.....and will in greater frequency, into the future.
If you make the conscious decision to choose to buy a bike or whatever without a title with the intention of getting it plated and putting it on the road, you damn sure better figure, if you want your dinero ($$$) out of the that deal, you are gonna become a "parts breaker", if you aren't already.
If you want to get what you bought without a title on the road, generally speaking, you better bend over and grab your ankles........you are in for some rude surprises.
Most of them demoralizing in the face of a BMV official.

The direct quote from the former VJMC President:

"The question has come up about titles and Bill of sale legalities
in Indiana. For instance, what does and does NOT need a title?
What does need a title is very simple. If it has an engine and
is ridden on the road, it always needs a title. That includes under
50cc scooters and mopeds. You might ask why do under 50cc vehicles
need titles? Very simply, it is your only proof that the vehicle is
yours. Yes, you can get by without one, but if it is stolen, a title
is your proof of ownership. Otherwise, it belongs to whoever has
possession of it.
What about "dirt bikes?" YES, they need titles and for the
same reason. If someone sees your bike laying in the woods and you
are off doing something, guess what? They just own the bike! You
have no more proof of ownership than they do. How do I know this? I
had a 1974 Honda Elsinore 250 stolen from my shop once. Later that
week I saw that bike in a persons yard. It just happened that I had
it titled and even had a trailer on my van so I called the police and
showed them the bike and the title. Otherwise I could not have
legally claimed it.
OK now, what about purchasing a motor vehicle like a 1982
Honzuki that has set for 20 years? Ideally, the owner still has a
title which can be transferred to you. By the way, even though titles
before about 1990 used to require for them to be signed in front of a
notary, they currently do not. All they need is signed by the seller
and dated. You may be able to use a Billof Sale too!
There are a set of rules that determine whether or not you can
get by with a "Billof Sale."
1. The vehicle has to have been unlicensed for over 10 years (12
or more preferably.)
2. It must not have have had a title transfer in the past 10 years or so.
3. IF it is from out of state and is over 10 years old it will
comply. (I get a BoS for ALL out of state bikes, even if I get a
title.)
You may get some flak from some BMV employees who do not know
about the BoS rules. Go to another branch in that case.
In any case, if you have an Out of State title OR a BoS, you must
take the bike (or at least the frame with the VIN) to a law
enforcement officer and have them fill out a form saying he has
checked it with the state to see if there is any record of it being
stolen. You do NOT have to show the officer the BoS or out of state
title.
If you have a police check form and BoS, the state will issue you
a valid Indiana title. You can go to the In.Gov web page and download
the police check forms and BoS forms (state form #44237). I carry a
BoS form with me all the time. You never know what you will find
laying behind a shed somewhere.

JT (former motorcycle dealer and avid collector)"

C'est la vie...............

AnKhe105 · Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:27 am Post subject:

They got me too Joe for about the same amount. Mostly my fault if I'd have read WHAT they get you more carefully. What I got for my money was a REGISTRATION and plate from Vermont. Unacceptable for the DMV here in Wi to get a title with that stuff. Got er done another way though through a friend. It IS titled in my name now thanks to him!
Their name is totally misleading. Should be IRS, not ITS. International REGISTRATION Servie!

smi481 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:40 am Post subject:

Not only does the practice of offering no title continue, it
appears to be growing. Just checked Ebay for one model
Honda and found 16 listed.

Of the sixteen listed for sale, SIX came with no title .... just
hand written bills of sale.

Here is one of the ads. The fellow has had the bike for
9 years .... but hasn't had time to get a title?

"This is a 1984 Honda 250 motorcycle that I have had for 9 years.
This has NO TITLE. Will give a bill of sale only. Easy to get
a title. This is in running condition, runs and shift pretty good
and the engine doesnt smoke. No leaks. It is a 4spd
The only light that works is the head light."

650hardtail · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:03 am Post subject:

its all different state to state...so no blanket statements apply

smi481 · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: No title

Here is the latest angle on selling a bike
on Ebay, today 8/11/2011, without a title -

"I do not know the process of obtaining a title"

Unbelivable

"This bike needs a battery ($17) for lights to work.

The body panels and the air box are missing.

**I DO NOT HAVE A TITLE**- I do not know the process of obtaining a title."

ztnoo · Last edited by ztnoo on Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:11 pm; edited 1 time in total

I'm amazed and even dumbfounded daily by the number of bikes I see for sale in almost any format you care to look at that don't have titles. If all you are chasing is a bike for parts, maybe that's not a big deal.
However if you intend to ride it on the street, I guarantee you almost no matter where you live, that buying a bike with a title, is going to make your job as the new owner a lot easier when you go to get it titled in whatever state and then get it plated.

The line that always slays me about no title usually goes something like this:
"I've owned this bike for 7 or 8 years, it's a project that kinda died on the vine. Had intentions of getting it running well, but got busy with other things. The wife says it has to go and I need the space anyway. No title, but I understand it shouldn't be a problem to get one after you pick up the bike. Call Mort @ 1-800-DUMBASS"

If a title was so damn easy to get, 7 or 8 years should be enough time to get the job done, right???
Or was the seller just a lazy ass, or did he know all along there was no way for him to title the bike?
He probably realized his mistake down the line somewhere AFTER he bought the bike without a title.

The main point is a title makes the machine more salable and attractive for a potential buyer.
When will these sellers "get it"?

iatrucker · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: Sticking it to the man

If I remember correctly a lot of this "no title" stuff has to do with scamming the government Nutkick

. This may be different state by state but if you transfer a certain number of titles to and from your name in a year I think you suddenly must have a dealers license, tax number, and must follow all the various laws and regulations required of a dealer. Not to mention the fees, sales taxes, income tax, and such. This would put a dent in the "I am going to be an auction hunter/ebay/craigslist millionaire" plan. I am not giving a pro or con argument on scamming the gov., whatever Idunno

, just remember, no title = parts bike....pay accordingly.