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Bentwheel
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Repack bearings **SUCCESS** Reply with quote

I'm trying to repack my wheel bearings. Does anyone have a tip for successfully removing the steel shield on the bearing to expose the grease inside. I've had success popping off rubber or plastic shields before, but can't seem to get the metal ones to come off and still be usable.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm.... I've never repacked a sealed bearing. Aren't bearings, like, 5 or 6 bucks each? I'm not sure I'd run the risk of damaging one for that. On the other hand, I'm as thrifty as the next guy... Smile

Good luck and report back on it, please.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't, replace Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have several options. You could replace it. That's what I would do. Many wheel bearings have no seal or shield on the inside so you could remove the shield, repack the bearing, and put it back in. The best option is to replace it as the guys already said. You cannot replace the shield very good once it is removed.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, as most bearings are press fit, forcing them out 'll however give some damage, and have you ever had a failed bearing Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zjeppe wrote:
Plus, as most bearings are press fit, forcing them out 'll however give some damage, and have you ever had a failed bearing Shocked


Well I wouldn't be removing the bearing if I could safely remove the shield. The point is to repack the bearings without having to remove them. The bearings have low miles usage on them, but the grease is 38 years old. These bearings are a little more difficult to remove because on early Yamaha's the spacer end sits tight to both bearings. You need a special L punch to drive the spacer into the bearing and out. A pin punch can't be used.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buy new bearings they are not that expensive
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotcha - so the real problem is getting the old one OUT. I'm assuming that if you could get them out easily enough, you'd just replace them rather than try to repack.

So, now, how to get that shield off...

If the bearings in your wheel are like that one in the picture, you'd need to have a VERY sharp tool to get in there, either at the ID, or at the OD. It looks, from the picture, like the OD of the shield is kinda pressed / punched against the outer race. Maybe that'd be your approach, to try to get in there at that fit...

On the other hand, you might not have enough 'swing' for the tool, what with the interference from the wheel itself. How deep in are the bearings set?

Your better bet might be at the ID. In the picture, it looks like you'd be able to get in there with a less-sharp tool and maybe be able to 'pry' towards the axle against the inner race. Maybe with something very sharp, yet rigid enough to apply some torque - say, a large-ish sewing needle?

Good luck with it, but I still think you're going to need to just figure out a way to get the bearings out of the wheel. Maybe tack weld something to the inner race and attach a small slide-hammer?

Hmmm.....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny how we can spend more time talking about something on a forum than it takes to actually do the thing. Those bearing shields come out if you look at them wrong. A small screwdriver or similar tool can just flick it out but it will not be good to put back in. New bearings.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What! Take action!?? No, we need to involve at least half a dozen more folks, and at least one argument, and maybe even a cancelled-membership-in-a-huff...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I managed to grease my wheel bearings without having to remove them. I picked at the shield with a small screw driver to make an opening.


My brother is a diabetic so I got some used pharmaceuticals from him. I loaded a 10ml syringe with fresh wheel bearing grease and with a large bore needle, I pressed almost 2 ml of grease into the bearing through the shield opening.


I tapped the shield with a socket to close up the opening. I think it's going to work, what do you think?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's being creative. It should work just fine as long as the bearing is in good shape.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zjeppe wrote:
Plus, as most bearings are press fit, forcing them out 'll however give some damage, and have you ever had a failed bearing Shocked


You know what, no I never had a wheel bearing fail, at least not enough to put me in danger. I don't even know anyone that injured themselves from a seized bearing. I've had a bearing go bad in my car, but it only made noise, no seizure. I have owned over 40 motorcycles since 1969 and only once did I find a wheel bearing that was badly notched and difficult to spin one revolution. It was in an 16 year old '77 CB750. I rode the bike a few hundred kilometers when I got it without feeling an issue. It wasn't until I pulled the front wheel for routine maintenance that I found the bad bearing. Oh, yeah I changed them all.
Am I just lucky over the years or is seized bearings a rare occurrence?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two issues with wheel bearings have happened more than once in my 40 plus years of riding.
Twice I've had 70's era bikes 'grow' the alloy hub that the wheel bearing is contained in, so that the bearing can potentially turn in the hub.Away back then we 'fixed' it by a combination of 'tinning' up the outside of the bearing with solder and running a ring of heli-arc weld around the hub, which 'shrunk' the hub tight again on the bearing.
More recently Loctite products have done the job for me.

The other issue has happened twice on off-roaders doing a very long ride with deep water crossings involved. SEveral hours of road speed travel later and the wheels have developed considerable 'play' in the bearings.

Have not experienced a bearing seizure as yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once had a bearing that lost it's balls Rolling Eyes that is like riding a flat tyre, but then on 40 years and around a million of km, that is not to much Wink (still dooing 40.000 plus a year, motorcycle instructor Cool )
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