Is Engine Dead??***UPDATED PICS***

Leland1 · Last edited by Leland1 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:22 am; edited 1 time in total

I took the heads and cylinders off of the crank case and this is what I saw.. NOW IM WORRIED!!!
P.S. All work still wont be done until I get a title and manual.. this was just some simple stuff I knew I could do...

Right piston..

Now on the right side there was a bolt on the head that wasn't tightened, just set in the hole. So I figured that was why I saw some water in the right side until I looked at the left... And the left side had no head gasket....
And the left side cylinder just slipped off but I had to tap the right side cylinder with a deadblow mallet.

Left Piston..

So what do I need to get prepared for?? New gaskets or a cracked crankcase??

MR.CHocko · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject:

Now what I would suggest you do is take a good look at your cylinders. See if there is any scoring,etc. Since you have one side that was siezed you are most likely have scoring there. That means that you will to have your cylinders bored. By no means is your engine dead, it just is going to need a little bit more work to get it going.

Leland1 · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject:

MR.CHocko · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject:

Without looking at your engine you will most likely need to have your head redone, and a hone of the cylinders.

05c50 · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:08 pm Post subject:

Where'd the water come from? All that chocolate milkshake looks like water and oil mixed together. Was the bike sitting outside with the crankcase open? If it were mine, I'd clean up the pistons, cylinders, and heads and check for scores, cracks, and excessive wear. The black sooty stuff on top of the pistons and heads is just carbon buildup and nothing to worry about at this time. If you're not sure what your looking at, post some pictures and we can help. By the way, those are very good pictures.

............Paul

KirkN · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject:

Well, it sure LOOKS ugly, but I think you'll be fine. My Hodaka 250 ressurection looked very similar, and the milkshake stuff cleaned outta there fine with no residual damage.

Split the cases per the manual, step by step, clean it all out, and see what ya got. But, that said, I wouldn't BUY any parts at all until you've done the full disassembly and condition assessment. That way, if you find a real show-stopper, you haven't already committed any $$$.

Keep the pictures coming!

Kirk

Hippykid · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject:

Isn't this what we all live for...Bringing the dead back to life...

paul66 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:14 am Post subject:

It looks like every bike that I've ever bought! You shouldn't get too worried.

I'd also replace the crank bearings while you have it apart.

Leland1 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:40 am Post subject:

Has it been left out? Yes. With the cylinders off? I'm not at liberty to say.... the bike was last tagged in 78, the expiration date on the tag is 82, was sitting in an outdoor storage room for 1-5 yrs and I just got it at the start of November and have no history. There were leaves,seeds pine needles and other junk on the entire bike.. including inside the clutch cover. I'm thinking that loose head bolt let water get in the cylinder when it was rained on for God knows how long. I probably didn't help when I washed it.....

I took the left cylinder and head inside today and cleaned it up good. The inside is PERFECT! I even cleaned the carbon off of the head. I'll try to post pics sometime today. I think ill clean the other cylinder tonight while watching Cops.

I feel better. Very Happy

MR.CHocko · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:56 am Post subject:

Go in and clean everything and inspect it. My daily rider sat outside for 25 years before I started to work on it. The bike even had a tree growing up through it. But the internals were good and I had compression. So you shouldn't get too worried about it. Once you get it everything sorted out put some miles on it. You are doing a grave diservice to these bikes if you do not go and ride them on a regular basis.

Leland1 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:21 am Post subject:

Before..

After...

Bikegeezer · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject:

There's usually a reason why owners let a bike get into the condition yours is in. Now you know why I said your best bet was just to tear it down completely. You can do the whole engine now, or you can do the bottom end later after you put it all back together with new top end parts and find out the crank bearings and seals are wasted.

Stu

Leland1 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject:

Where can I go for some crank bearings and seals. From what I'm seeing their discontinued on bike bandit. Don't really wanna go eBay for that kinda part... risk of a bad part someone is trying to get rid of at a profit...

Bikegeezer · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject:

dorT500 · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:25 am Post subject:

What are you going to do Leland? I am thinking it is going to cost several hundred dollars just to get the engine running. Another $300.00 hundred just to get it in safe riding condition. Add $2400.00 to restore it close to its former glory. You had already read in your initial threads that the crank seals were almost surely bad, before you took off the top end. Whether the hits are all at once, over a few months or over a few years, $3400.00 is $3400.00. Plus the cost of a bonded title, registration and liability insurance. I could not afford a re-do on that bike, can you? As H2Lou put it in another, completely unrelated thread... "...get it and play with it...if you don't have the cash, learn where to cut your ties."

Have you given any thought to what I had said about keeping that bike that you only paid $50.00 for as a source at your fingertips for spare parts that you will always need even on the runner that I know you will eventually find.

What are you going to do Leland? I had said I would be a part of many sources available to help, so here is my part if you want it.I have typed out a long detailed description of how to correctly split the cases and how to remove everything you need to remove before separating the cases. It is based on just using hand tools that I think you have already and improvising a little. If you don't have a large enough socket, check out a pawn shop and you can buy a cheap one for a couple of bucks. While you are there check and see if they have a hand impact driver set or you can buy a cheap new one for about $8.00 or less at an independent tool store. Let me know if you need the info I have typed out for you. It is mostly complete.