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Stupid Question, what kind of gas goes in a '70 CL350?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: Stupid Question, what kind of gas goes in a '70 CL350? Reply with quote

Stupid Question, what kind of gas goes in a '70 CL350? I got my Honda manual and it doesn't say anything about the k2, and the k4 says it requires 95 octane?! Should I be using regular, the next one thats better, or the best (most expensive)?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The type of gas that was used when these bikes were new contained lead, but lead was phased out around 1980. Since it called for 95 Octane you are going to want to run the premium or the Super as they call it now. The Octane rateing on the gas will be listed on the pump. To be safe just go for the most expensive gas they have at the gas station, that isn't diesal.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And , if you feel you want or need to , you can buy lead additive at any auto parts store .

I'm not sure , but don't the valve guides use the lead as a lubricant ?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mix a quart of 111 leaded race gas into my Scrambler's tank of premium 91 pump gas in the summer time.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys,
The octane rating of 95 back then was regular grade fuel and was rated by the Research Method. Today, motor fuels are rated by an average of the Research Octane Number and the Motor Octane Number - (R+M)/2. For today's regular, that comes out something like (95+79)/2 = 87. These bikes run just fine on unleaded regular, provided they're tuned properly. On the subject of additives, you can buy a lead "substitute", but not an actual lead additive. There'd be major jail time involved for anyone caught selling something like that for use on the street.

Ray,
Many guys see the word race in race gas and think it'll make a street bike more powerful. That's not the case. Neither race gas nor 91 "premium" will add any power if the bike isn't pinging on regular. In fact, it could reduce power. Best power occurs when the engine is just shy of pinging.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are as many opinions about this as there are members.
Best way is to try it yourself.
A few tanks of 87, then a few tanks of 93 or better (if you can find it).
If you think it's better one way or the other, go with it.
I wouldn't worry much about lead, just my personal experience.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ray,
Many guys see the word race in race gas and think it'll make a street bike more powerful. That's not the case. Neither race gas nor 91 "premium" will add any power if the bike isn't pinging on regular. In fact, it could reduce power. Best power occurs when the engine is just shy of pinging.

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I have to add 111 leaded fuel to my CBX or she pings when it is above 65º.
I buy my race fuel at Sawyer Petroleum in Van Nuys.
The 79 CBX owner's manual calls for 94 octane fuel and I can't get anymore than shit 91 at the pumps here in the Valley where I buy my gas and when it is just warm outside, she pings pretty badly on 91. In the winter time I can run 91 and only hear a ping on that very rare occasion.

The only reason I add that fuel is to stop the pinging which it does. I do not expect a major horse power increase with my 111 leaded fuel in my Scrambler although that same 111 leaded fuel in my CBR1100XX gives me 3mph at the drag strip.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fasterspider wrote:
I have to add 111 leaded fuel to my CBX or she pings when it is above 65º.
In the winter time I can run 91 and only hear a ping on that very rare occasion.


I forget -- is your CBX motor a big-bore or high compression unit? My stock motor actually runs better on regular unleaded than premium, and gets better mileage, too. (If you can call 28-32 MPG "good"). Wink

[Sorry - didn't mean to threadjack.]

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZGrand wrote:
fasterspider wrote:
I have to add 111 leaded fuel to my CBX or she pings when it is above 65º.
In the winter time I can run 91 and only hear a ping on that very rare occasion.


I forget -- is your CBX motor a big-bore or high compression unit? My stock motor actually runs better on regular unleaded than premium, and gets better mileage, too. (If you can call 28-32 MPG "good"). Wink

[Sorry - didn't mean to threadjack.]

Regular old CBX 1047cc engine that just needs more umph out of her fuel.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fasterspider wrote:

I have to add 111 leaded fuel to my CBX or she pings when it is above 65º.
Well then, you're doing the right thing. And I really don't remember when the pump gas rating went to the new scheme. But it does surprise me that you needed the same thing in your CL. Mine runs like a raped ape on 87 unleaded.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Great, thanks everyone! Reply with quote

Thanks everyone!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have to add 111 leaded fuel to my CBX or she pings when it is above 65º.
Well then, you're doing the right thing. And I really don't remember when the pump gas rating went to the new scheme. But it does surprise me that you needed the same thing in your CL. Mine runs like a raped ape on 87 unleaded.

Stu

My Scrambler got a taste of the 111 last year when I was having trouble with the idle and she liked it.
I would never pay money for 87 octane fuel, it is noticably dirtier than 91 leaving deposits in my carbs that I don't get with 91. I learned that lesson when I was living in Phoenix. Nevermind the better fuel mileage with the 91 in my motorcyles and my Tacoma.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chevron Supreme with Techron. 93 Octane. Cleans the entire fuel system up and keeps it clean. Only juice my CL 90 or my cars get.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use SHELL (Nitrogren) Regular, if not, any regular + SEAFOAM in the tank...650bill
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650BILL wrote:
Use SHELL (Nitrogren) Regular, if not, any regular + SEAFOAM in the tank...650bill

Shell and Exxon/Mobil are the reason gasoline is so expensive, they set the bar on profits last year.

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