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2 stroke will idle but no Full Throttle...

 
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DeezilDennis
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: 2 stroke will idle but no Full Throttle... Reply with quote

I recently got my old 2 Stroke yamaha Enduro 100cc out of 15 year storage and did all the specific steps to get it going.

I cleaned the tank. I also drained the tranny and installed new clutches and steels. I bled the Oil Injector and it seems to be working fine. I drained the carb before I put it away for storage.

The bike fired up after 2 kicks and settled into a nice idle after it warmed up and the choke was pushed in.

I can get about 1/4 throttle but thats about it. It just levels out and bogs a little it sounds like..
If I let it sit idling for a second I can rev fast and hit high rpms for a second and then it just goes back to what it was doing before. I pulled the carb and disassembled it and cleaned it. It looked fine. I adjusted the carb screws even though I had them to set to factory specs and nothing helped.

I put the carb back on and it still does the same thing.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mainjet is plugged or the mainjet air bleed hole is plugged. If it has a side type mainjet(screws in the side of the floatbowl), check the mainjet holder that screws into the needle jet(emulsion tube). The o-rings on these types of carbs can leak fuel if the o-ring is damaged or old and drown it in fuel.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not sure but I'll check again. I cleaned everything out till it was spotless I ran needles and tiny rods through everything.
All rubber parts looked great..

I guess I should have got it running again before I spent a ton on tires, tubes and other goodies.... Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's odd timing. There was just an article about two-strokes and air leaks in the latest (August) VJMC magazine. Did you see that? They pressure-tested the engine with like 6 psi, and found there were some air leaks that caused the same symptom you're having.

Mind you, I know absolutely nothing about two-strokes, just thought I'd pass that along...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where would I find this article?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeezilDennis wrote:
Where would I find this article?

It was page 20 of the August issue of the VJMC magazine.

If you're a member you get it as part of the membership.

Maybe they've posted the article on the VJMC website? I don't know...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An air leak in a 2-stroke bottom end will usually manifest itself as a lean idle condition if it's that bad. Another tipoff is oil residue around the magneto/ignition case cover from seal seepage behind the ignition assembly, or heavy smoke out of the exhaust that really stinks BAD if it's the clutch side crank seal. I've even seen an instance where the crankcase pressurized the tranny/clutch area(seal had physically popped out of cases) and forced all the oil out of the tranny thru the oil seals and cover gasket.
Good replies, keep us posted!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I went and checked the cases again and ran it. It does not smoke more than normal and the cases are dry other than the area by the front gear.
Magneto area is dry as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could a weak ignigation coil be the problem?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ya,
Also keep a very close eye on the oil level. It must be kept as close to full as possible.
The oilburners build the fuel/oil mixture up to pressure in the crankcase.....
low oil level = low pressure mixture = VERY poor performance/power
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

check the o-ring on the bottom of the main jet if its not sealing to the bowl it will run like you discribe
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked the exhaust for a restriction? Either at the head or baffle? Does it have a battery? I have seen a weak battery do strange things.

Good luck
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